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Re: Coilovers. Which and why?

Postby Lazza » Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:13 pm

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Lazza wrote: I'm not so sure Meister R can be.

I'll find out, but i have seen quite a few GGP pop seals just out of warranty, and for that reason i will not use them myself .
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But as they can be rebuilt, that's not a massive problem :wink:
If the same thing happened to the Meister Rs, could the same be said for them?

Mine have done around 25k miles over around 4 years and are still fine. Also, I'm sure Derek at Abs Shocks would rebuild them for me at a very reasonable price, probably with upgraded valving as they have improved them since I got mine.
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Re: Coilovers. Which and why?

Postby Yolo » Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:29 pm

A This is an interesting topic as longer term I am hoping to sort bushes and suspension but have to say £600 for meister and £450 for Gaz classic seems like big money for a car that costs not much more and a tough sell to my good lady... Are there alternatives or cheaper options even standard Mazda springs and dampers or am I going to be nice and hope for a generous Santa... :pray:
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Re: Coilovers. Which and why?

Postby paggers » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:04 am

If you are happy with a standard ride then the cheapest option is a second hand set of Mk2 suspension from Autolink or similar. (I have seen people get them in eBay for £50.) If you want something you can lower then you are a bit stuck. Yes you can get 'eBay' coilovers (Rokkor/Raceland/etc) for less than £200 but they really are rubbish. I have them on my Mk1 and in the near future they will be coming off and going in the bin. The ride is really unpleasant.

So, if you want modified suspension with good ride then you need to pay the money. If you are happy to live with standard ride height then the Mk2 suspension is the way to go. Just don't go anywhere in between.
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Re: Coilovers. Which and why?

Postby cjgreaves41 » Sat Aug 10, 2013 10:33 am

Gf thinks it looks fine. The ride is excellent. Ride height is 370 front and 360 rear. Considering some lowering springs?! What are peoples options? Not sure the wheels help the situation. Might stick 14s on today.
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Re: Coilovers. Which and why?

Postby cjgreaves41 » Sat Aug 10, 2013 10:40 am

Oh and this was it before. On some Japanese covers. Ride was 320ish. Which resulted in me getting stuck in the works car park when I had a boot full of stuff and a mate into the passenger seat!
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Re: Coilovers. Which and why?

Postby cjgreaves41 » Sat Aug 10, 2013 10:49 am

Oh and yes these are mk 2 spring/ dampers on mk2 top mounts.
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Re: Coilovers. Which and why?

Postby Mazda Mender » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:06 am

Lazza wrote:But as they can be rebuilt, that's not a massive problem
If the same thing happened to the Meister Rs, could the same be said for them?

Like i said i will find out when i speak to gerrick, i know the meisters are going through a upgrade at the minute, the last time i was invoved the GGP units popping a debate went on untill new units were sent out, why new units if like you say new seals etc? Carl at CBS autos as them fitted to his turbo which had one pop at Blayton.
Maybe you have a good batch on yours? :wink: , spax units will never be fitted to any of mine also with how many i have changed that have froze up and gone rusty.
They are all as good and bad as ech other, i am waiting to see issues with the meisters, as they have been around a while with the honda boys before being made to fit the Mx/Roadsters, i have read about rust issues on the first batches on the springs but not seen this yet myself yet.
The best dampers that last on these cars is the OE stuff, the rubber dies(dries out ,but they can be replaced) before the damper ever will.

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If the are 15" ? the 14" will fill the arch the same less alloy more rubber, you GF will like the ride as is, and i am sure she will not be bothered either way if it is lowwered more, i would live with it for a road roadster :handgestures-thumbup:
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Re: Coilovers. Which and why?

Postby cjgreaves41 » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:46 am

Got a week in suffolk soon. So 700miles or so to go. will see if i get used to it!
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Re: Coilovers. Which and why?

Postby Yolo » Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:30 pm

What about these and what else would I need? I do like the idea of the mk2 setup as a lot of people seem to like this for general road use which is all I am after for now.
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Re: Coilovers. Which and why?

Postby Yolo » Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:31 pm

:doh:
http://www.mx5oc.co.uk/forum/default.as ... ts&t=66338 here is the link I forgot to add above.
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Re: Coilovers. Which and why?

Postby paggers » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:37 pm

Yolo wrote:What about these and what else would I need? I do like the idea of the mk2 setup as a lot of people seem to like this for general road use which is all I am after for now.

To be honest the safest bet would be to ring someone like Autolink, tell them what you are doing, and ask them to put together all the parts you will need. You may well find that they can supply the struts pre-assembled so you just need to bolt them in. But as a basic list you will need the following:

Standard Mk2 shocks (2x front + 2x rear)
Standard Mk2 springs (2x front + 2x rear)
Mk2 top mounts (4x)
Rubber bushes for top mounts (I think you need 2 per mount so 8 in total)
Bump stops (4x)
New top mount gaskets (4x)

I think that's everything, although if I have missed anything I'm sure someone will jump in shortly.
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Re: Coilovers. Which and why?

Postby Mazda Mender » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:52 pm

I am sure if you speak to likes of Autolink they will have the units complete, so you can just straight swap on the roadster :handgestures-thumbup:
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Re: Coilovers. Which and why?

Postby Yolo » Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:24 pm

Thanks guys have to put these on the Santa list..... Hopefully a more economical option to keep everyone happy :laughing-rolling:
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Re: Coilovers. Which and why?

Postby paggers » Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:48 pm

So I fitted the Mk2 struts onto the front of the Mk1 today. No pictures as yet of the finished job but I did get the tape measure out. Before the swap the height from wheel centre to arch was 32cm - with the Rokkor coilovers. With the Mk2 struts the height is now 36cm. So an increase of 4cm but that's against a lowered target. I believe the stock height is 35cm so it's riding 1cm higher on the Mk2 shocks - doesn't look too bad though.
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Re: Coilovers. Which and why?

Postby cjgreaves41 » Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:55 am

Has anyone used mk2 std dampers / top mounts / bump stops with lowering springs?

These

http://www.lkperformance.co.uk/lowering ... rId=157207 for example? Or has anyone any experience with alternatives?

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