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Re: That'll never run again!

Postby seagryhill » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:30 pm

OK, my bad, the answer to the bracket question was found in an old image.
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It's fixed to the bolt at the top right of this image. Doh!
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Re: That'll never run again!

Postby Mazda Mender » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:35 pm

1.6 mk1 engine?...jizza clean is jizza clean...i will sort you some..are you going to the clubs national?

As for the hose connection. A good light file and sand paper to clean it...on fitting a lit smear of rubber grease will help protect it as will the correct coolant.
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Mk 1 Eunos 93 black V.S II 1.8 ,
Mk 2 .1/4 Roadster 99 black & gold V.S 1.8 being rebuilt,
Mk 1 Eunos 90 1.6 (claimed by daughter)
MK 2.1/4 Blue V.S Roadster 1.8 99 ...being rebuilt

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Re: That'll never run again!

Postby seagryhill » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:43 am

1.8

Club National? That's the 14/15th September at BMM Warwick I think. Let me see if I'm allowed out of the garden for a day...
The jizza is not critical but it would be good to catch up with you guys.

Your approach to fixing the hose connection sounds a lot more sensible. I was just worried about the wall thickness getting a bit thin. All the other similar bits on the thermostat housing etc had all split. I wouldn't be surprised if the splits occurred when someone used pliers to pull the hoses off given that it's a pressurised system. I've picked up a cooling system pressure tester so I intend to check the system before it goes into a shell.
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Re: That'll never run again!

Postby seagryhill » Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:49 am

Last week I tracked down what I hope will enable a continuation of this project. I'd watched a number of Mk1s that were up for sale and those that weren't full of rust were just too good to merit a strip down and restore. Anyway this has now arrived...
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It was a 1.6 manual Eunos imported in 2004 with about 49k on the clock. It did 2000 miles and in 2007 went into a garage to be turned into a track car - hence the hole in the bonnet. The project was never completed and in fact it has sat in a garage since then, more or less inside and never moving. There is only 1 MOT certificate from 2007 to verify all this. Apart from the fact that the doors, windscreen, bonnet and wings are gone the shell itself is complete. I can find no signs of any welding and only surface 'mould' with very limited amounts of light surface rust. The white stuff on the boot is actually primer because it originally had very wide foam rear wheel arches that the UK owner removed. To protect the metal they sprayed it but that was 12 years ago.

So things might have turned around. This seems like one to save.

I'd welcome your thoughts on whether to strip out the looms and ECU to start again. It currently has a naff immobiliser that has been hacked into the loom and although I have all 3 keys I don't have the door locks. So I was thinking of putting in all the looms, ECU, a new immobiliser and ignition/locks etc. What do you think?
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Re: That'll never run again!

Postby Mazda Mender » Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:07 pm

how much of the harness is hacked into.
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Mk 1 Eunos 93 black V.S II 1.8 ,
Mk 2 .1/4 Roadster 99 black & gold V.S 1.8 being rebuilt,
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MK 2.1/4 Blue V.S Roadster 1.8 99 ...being rebuilt

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Re: That'll never run again!

Postby seagryhill » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:12 pm

I'm not too sure until I get a chance to have a poke around. The aftermarket immobiliser is in the passenger footwell next to the fob detector and was linked to the looms with some crocodile clips. I think the main part of the looms and the ecu are intact. It's all very dusty as it was sat in a garage next to where people were sanding fibreglass for 12 years. Most of the wiring looks salvageable.

Based on a VIN check with Autolink it looks like this is a '92 Eunos shell (1.6 engine). I'd like to swap the engine, intake, throttle body etc for those from my '95 G-Ltd (cos they're all clean and shiny). Apparently I need a BPF3 ecu but I'm not sure if that will just plug into the original '92 loom. I guess the first thing to do is push through the dust and check the ecu and harnesses. The dash was comprehensively ripped out but think they cut around the harnesses.

I got a fresh battery with the car. Would it make sense to hook it up to see if the ecu is alive and giving codes?

I'm also up for rewiring the odd plug or two as I don't mind a bit of soldering. Perhaps that might be another option once I make sure to get all the right plugs in the appropriate place. Are the circuit diagrams available?

Sorry no pictures yet but I'll get some of the wiring, ecu etc
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Re: That'll never run again!

Postby Mazda Mender » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:54 pm

There are links to wiring Di's on here, please be careful of bare wires when hooking up a batt to the cut wires from the dash to find out whats you have working.

If you do an engine swap i would be interested in the engine and all bits for one here.
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Mk 1 Eunos 93 black V.S II 1.8 ,
Mk 2 .1/4 Roadster 99 black & gold V.S 1.8 being rebuilt,
Mk 1 Eunos 90 1.6 (claimed by daughter)
MK 2.1/4 Blue V.S Roadster 1.8 99 ...being rebuilt

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Re: That'll never run again!

Postby seagryhill » Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:51 pm

Somebody mentioned that Flyin Miata do a conversion kit. I found this guide on their site.

https://www.flyinmiata.com/support/inst ... .8swap.pdf

I happen to have a Son living in the US and so getting their conversion kit might be a good way forward although I don't need it all. There seems to be some good advice in the guide. Basically keep the electrics and change the engine, coil packs and adapt the throttle body. Simples.

Sure M-M I'd be more than happy to find someone who could use the bits I remove. I'm probably going to keep the 1.6 subframes and wishbones as they still appear to have some factory paint on them. They are in much better nick than my G-Ltd ones.
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Re: That'll never run again!

Postby Mazda Mender » Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:44 pm

The conversion is pretty simple buddy, you keep all the ECU etc etc just plant in a new heart.
I would be interested in seeing one of these kits up close , keep me upto date ,i may join you in getting one.
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Mk 1 Eunos 93 black V.S II 1.8 ,
Mk 2 .1/4 Roadster 99 black & gold V.S 1.8 being rebuilt,
Mk 1 Eunos 90 1.6 (claimed by daughter)
MK 2.1/4 Blue V.S Roadster 1.8 99 ...being rebuilt

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Re: That'll never run again!

Postby seagryhill » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:26 pm

So a few pictures. Tonight I had a bit of a dig around to check out the ecu and immobiliser. Here's the ecu
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I think you can see what I mean about 'dust'. Even with the ecu shield in place all what you can see managed to get in. I hope it hasn't done any damage. I guess the good news is that dust is dry.
Here is the immobiliser and fob sensor.
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It's a Getronics GT136 and GT 432 system. I've had a quick search but can't find out too much about these. It looks a mess and its loom disappears up behind the aircon unit and emerges behind the instrument cluster (if it was there). After removal of a few bits of insulating tape I can see this.
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The dangly bit looks like just an inline fuse. The main black leads are interrupting a blue wire and a blue/black wire that go into the ignition block. So I guess that is how the immobiliser immobilises. There's also a pair of orange wires that seem to interrupt a green/white wire going to the large white connector on the LH side of the column. I'll check that against a wiring diagram. Here's a better image of that area.
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A bit of detective work required there. The twisted-pair orange wire under the column is the one from the immobiliser.

Basic conclusion is that if I extract this immobiliser and repair the cables it has cut into then the basic loom seems to be intact. At this point I guess I could check if the engine runs although I'd need to do some basic cleaning and fluids changing beforehand. Probably only necessary to see if it turns over at this stage.

I will need to put in a new immobiliser and suggestions would be welcome. The plan is to strip all the looms out of the car in order to do a proper job on the paintwork and cleaning. That will enable me to check connectors and rewrap the harnesses.

Under the bonnet is dusty (surprise) but seems more or less intact.
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Here's a shot of the offside rear arch and cill.
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I've certainly seen a lot worse over the last few months.

So that 's where I am and I'm going to start the tear down at the weekend.

I'm planning to get one of the Flyings Miata 1.8 conversion kits as I will be in the US later this year.

M-m: I'll let you know in advance if I place an order in case you want one as well. Happy to act as a miata mule (no comments please).
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Re: That'll never run again!

Postby Mazda Mender » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:00 pm

With her being an import the immobiliser would be an aftermarket add in,which would of been added on being imported to this country so it can all be removed and all the loom put back to standard easy enough.
Go this route,and chuck it in the bin ;0).
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Mk 1 Eunos 93 black V.S II 1.8 ,
Mk 2 .1/4 Roadster 99 black & gold V.S 1.8 being rebuilt,
Mk 1 Eunos 90 1.6 (claimed by daughter)
MK 2.1/4 Blue V.S Roadster 1.8 99 ...being rebuilt

http://www.mx5oc.co.uk/ http://www.mx5nutz.com/forum/ http://miata.net/ http://www.autolinkuk.co.uk/
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Re: That'll never run again!

Postby seagryhill » Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:59 am

The good news is that the main loom seems reasonably intact.

A satisfying moment when the immobiliser comes out.
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Once all the sticky tape was removed it was pretty easy to see how it had been installed. A few wires interrupting the blue and blue/black cables at the ignition switch. One teed into a white cable (have to check which one) and some orange wires hooked into the indicator connector presumably for the flashers. A bit of soldering and some heat shrink and we should be back in business. I might see if it turns over later today or at least if there's life in the system. The instrument panel is not in place but I guess I should get some activity somewhere.

Presumably the first thing to do is see if the diagnostic port is alive. Is there any other way (given that I have no warning lights etc) of checking if the ecu is working? I guess I could check the fan, fuel pump etc.

M-m: I saw the video on the diagnostic box you posted. Where can I get one of those? Looks like a useful bit of kit.
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Re: That'll never run again!

Postby Mazda Mender » Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:31 am

He is on here buddy...i have been working with Ian to just fine tune it with him...the new version 3 is updatable and blue tooth ,he will also be sorting an app for it...great bit of kit and will be updated as he goes...he will be at the OC national rally with us..
There maybe discount if going through menders, worth a ask ,but i'll speak to Ian on that score...great chap and passionate with what he does.
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Mk 1 Eunos 93 black V.S II 1.8 ,
Mk 2 .1/4 Roadster 99 black & gold V.S 1.8 being rebuilt,
Mk 1 Eunos 90 1.6 (claimed by daughter)
MK 2.1/4 Blue V.S Roadster 1.8 99 ...being rebuilt

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Re: That'll never run again!

Postby blackyb » Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:25 pm

Did I hear the word discount.

If so one tight Yorkshireman could be tempted to part with some hard earned cash.

New version looks the part, even without bluetooth features and would be useful to own.
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Re: That'll never run again!

Postby John&Luke » Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:52 pm

blackyb wrote:Did I hear the word discount.

If so one tight Yorkshireman could be tempted to part with some hard earned cash.

New version looks the part, even without bluetooth features and would be useful to own.


Second that. Do we know a price yet?
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