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Re: Another NA ***RESTORATION***

Postby John&Luke » Tue May 26, 2020 10:50 pm

John&Luke wrote:This will stiffen up the original panel and provide an overlap surface to weld. I joggle the original panel so the open edge of the joint is facing down presenting less chance of water or crud sitting in there. .


JL, i read somewhere that joggling and overlapping the panels leaves a crevice on the inside for moisture to sit, is this right or a load of rubbish? i'm about to pull the trigger on an air Joggler, it looks a far better and easier way to get backing for a good weld and like you said strengths the area for welding so less distortion

Actually just read that again! do'h you face your internal flange down to prevent moisture sitting![/quote]

Repairing any panel will always be a compromise. There will be arguments for different approaches. In my experience, distortion is the biggest challenge. If you end up with a distorted panel that will mean tonnes of filler and the lines of the rear panel will lose there crispness.

Trying to butt weld the new and old together would present massive challenges in scribing and cutting the two panels to exactly match. Any gap would need to be filled with weld and the real possibility of melting more metal away.

Joggling gets around both these problems in that you have a margin of error due to the overlap and secondly, you are are not trying to butt weld thin sheet.

In addition, joggling the original panel this will also stiffen this panel. This creates soMe resistance to any pressure that you need to apply to the new panel when welding the two together.

It just so happens that if you joggle the original panel the face will be facing downwards.

Once painted a liberal dose of waxoil etc should help prevent rust. That’s my theory, but as I started by saying, it will always be a compromise.

Hope this helps and happy to be told a different way of doing this job.
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Re: Another NA ***RESTORATION***

Postby graymattor » Wed May 27, 2020 12:16 pm

Great explanation, i am very much new to all this so all the advice and other people experiences are invaluable, personally i really like the idea of joggling, it will be far far easier to weld with a good sold backing and teh added strength is a real bonus. i have bought some cavity was so i was going to give ever where a good dosing as i go along

Thank you for the clarification JL, really appreciated as always, time to pull the trigger :)
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Re: Another NA ***RESTORATION***

Postby Natehd9 » Sun May 31, 2020 5:59 pm

Got another day at it yesterday.

I'd been in two minds about whether to bolt up the chassis rails or not but decided to get it done, a load of M8 dome head socket screws and nyloc nuts have got it properly held in place. Will paint over them when the car gets undsealed as I have no intention of removing them at any point.

After that bit of procrastinating it was time to get down to business... I'd started the driver's rear arch arse-about-face having started by cutting the panel on the car, rather than the replacement panel, this led to some cardboard templating to replicate the cut on the replacement panel!

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This led to much offering up, checking the gaps, marking areas that needed more taking off and repeating leaving me with one arch ready to tack weld!

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Was pretty tired by this point (I'd been jumping between the arch panel and the inner sill plate that needs a re-think) so decided to leave it rather than crack on and make mistakes due to tiredness...

Welding for next time!
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Re: Another NA ***RESTORATION***

Postby John&Luke » Sun May 31, 2020 9:54 pm

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Just watch that mole grip. Use it to pull the original arch return and the new panel return together. These are the two faces you need to spot weld. So they need to be in contact with each other. Using the grip where you have it will also dent the panel.

Good work.
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Re: Another NA ***RESTORATION***

Postby John&Luke » Sun May 31, 2020 9:59 pm

Page 3 of my build thread may help.
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Re: Another NA ***RESTORATION***

Postby Natehd9 » Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:48 am

John&Luke wrote:Just watch that mole grip. Use it to pull the original arch return and the new panel return together. These are the two faces you need to spot weld. So they need to be in contact with each other. Using the grip where you have it will also dent the panel.

Good work.


Fair point, I'd adjusted the grip so the tension is quite low, this was just to bring the top edge of the panel in line with where it's going to be welded, seems the panels aren't 100% perfect fitment so need a little bit of 'persuasion' not that I'm surprised, I'd be more surprised if they were perfect!

Cheers for the hints J&L, loving your work!
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Re: Another NA ***RESTORATION***

Postby Lumphammer » Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:06 pm

Great work Nate and thanks to you and John for the explanations.

Have you bought an air joggler Nate and would you recommend whatever you got?
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Re: Another NA ***RESTORATION***

Postby Natehd9 » Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:33 pm

Lumphammer wrote:Great work Nate and thanks to you and John for the explanations.

Have you bought an air joggler Nate and would you recommend whatever you got?


I'd previously bought a hand joggler, at the time I'd bought it for the hole punch, but have used it much more for joggling than punching as it turns out!

I just got a well rated cheap(ish) one off ebay, not much to go wrong with it so took the plunge.
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Re: Another NA ***RESTORATION***

Postby Natehd9 » Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:30 pm

Finished work a little early yesterday (my last day before my new job!) So managed to sneak in an extra couple of hours. Decided against bodywork and instead chose to start reassembly of the front subframe

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Just waiting on a locking wire tool so I can refit the dust sleeves on the steering rack so it's only loosely bolted together at the moment, nice to get it all together though, feels like progress!
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Re: Another NA ***RESTORATION***

Postby Lumphammer » Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:27 pm

Looking really good, it must be nice to see the end in sight!!
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Postby Natehd9 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:31 am

So, having had the past 4 days set aside to crack on with this it's fair to say I've made some progress!

Having put the front subframe together and seeing how much space it freed up I decided to crack on and get the rear back together so I could put both out of the way, this was a bit tricky as the polybushes I'd fitted had squished out of shape a little, nothing a rubber mallet couldn't persuade in though! Don't have a photo of the full assembly, but just go on the assumption that it's shiny and black like the front unit above!

So with procrastination out of the way it was down to business, finishing up the driver's side and cracking on with the passengers!

Not much to say that I haven't already, the passengers side was better in some ways, worse in others than the driver's side, however the major saving grace was the inner rear sill was solid so didn't need entirely refabricating, saving some major swearing time! Will let the photos do the talking...

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Need to finish welding and flat back, but the passengers side will be done with 5 days work rather than the 2 months it took to do the driver's side!
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Re: Another NA ***RESTORATION***

Postby John&Luke » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:21 pm

Great job
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Re: Another NA ***RESTORATION***

Postby Natehd9 » Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:52 am

Got a couple of hours in yesterday, having finished the majority of the welding on the passengers side last weekend I decided to spend some time doing something a little bit different to prevent the work becoming too much of a chore!

Rolled the car on its side and got cracking with some strip discs to get the underside to bare metal, glad I did as it unveiled some crusty bits!
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So that's a little plate needs making up so I can chop out and replace a bit of the driver's footwell (it'll only be about 20x50mm rectangle so no great hardship!)

Otherwise the underside is coming up great, got a full underseal kit from Rejel so once it's been etch primed and tigersealed we'll get cracking!

Unfortunately it's going to be a case of the odd two hours here and there for the time being so hopefully I can get the underside fully done in a couple of weeks or so...
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Re: Another NA ***RESTORATION***

Postby Natehd9 » Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:08 pm

I would have thought working from home would have allowed me much more time to crack on with this, but life always finds a way of disrupting your best laid plans!

I've been grabbing the odd few hours here and there getting the underside stripped back to bright metal and it's very tedious and very time consuming, but satisfying when you sit back and look at an entire shiny section, even more so once a coat of primer goes on and it's all nicely flat!

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Even with the car rolled on its side I'm still turning up at home looking like a chimney sweep which the wife finds quite funny...

I've probably got another couple of sessions to get the last few stubborn bits off the underside before I can get the seams resealed and start thinking about painting and undersealing the whole thing so will hopefully be finished under the car in the next month...

Anyway, decided the reward myself after a few hours yesterday by doing another slightly different job...

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Really impressed with it, only took a little bit of grinder surgery and fitted in about an hour, suffice to say I'd done most of the work with it being a fully stripped shell.

Must not forget that there's still a couple of small patches of welding to finish up before the painstaking stage of filling and sanding back the bodywork to get everything flush, and I should really test fit the doors at some point!
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Re: Another NA ***RESTORATION***

Postby Lumphammer » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:05 pm

That's looking very tidy. What are you planning to use for undersealing?

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