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MK 1 1989 > 97 Automatic gearbox diaphragm problems and how to change it etc

Postby Mazda Mender » Mon May 20, 2019 6:22 am

This is a WARNING and the fix before it happens to MK 1 1.6/1.8 Automatic version Eunos Roadsters or Miata Roadsters....

This is a simple part to change, but if left can give you no end of trouble and headaches.

It is the Automatic gearbox diaphragm on the side of the gear box underneath near the PPF and gearbox sump and is a valve for a vacuum which helps with the gear change with the breather hose which runs to the back of the inlet. This little thing can stick open resulting in automatic gearbox oil being sucked up into the inlet chocking the roadster.
Giving of major blooms of white smoke as it tries to burn it off.

Please view the pictures below of the Auto that has had the diaphragm fitted after the old one failed...



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Vid 1....

https://youtu.be/yQ4jRs3RN5g

ViD 2....

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You will think the Roadster is dead, it will give you a headache to clean it all and make good to get running back right again.
Worse cases have been owners going to garages over this and getting a big intake of air through the garage owners teeth with a " it's fudged, needs a new engine"
Some owners have gone this route not knowing any better and lack of knowledge on the garage owners side also.
Please understand there is nothing wrong with the engine, nothing that a good flush clean, plugs and the new diaphragm and V power petrol should solve.

The part that fails is not the biggest of units and is a old school carry over, new automatics don't have them, and will take no longer than 30 minutes to change, with jacking, swapping and adding fresh gearbox oil.

We highly recommend you change this forgotten part now. Before it happens. Because it will at some point just like the UK spec immobliser issue, it is not "if" but when, if it happens, try and clamp the hose at the back of the inlet in the engine bay (pics #1 & 2) and you should be able to crawl her home, or get her uplifted to be safer, never tow on the back wheels with an auto.

Locations of the diaphragm hose in the engine bay on the
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This will talk you through the little lurking demon part and how to change it...

MK 1 1.6 ( on the left) auto is slightly larger than the 1.8 (on the right) auto item...

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First off buy a new unit for your correct version from the likes of Autolinkmx5 LINKS>>>>>>>>....MK 1 1.8.....https://www.autolinkmx5.com/automatic-g ... 7258-p.asp MK 1 1.6....https://www.autolinkmx5.com/automatic-g ... 0547-p.asp ,and new plugs.... DO NOT even contemplate getting one s/hand, these are like little ticking time bombs and you will not know how long you have with a s/hand item.


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Wedge the drivers side wheels front and back and jack up the passenger side and rest onto axle stands( we got her up in the air on all four so we could take pics)

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Locate the little hidden devil unit....

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Mk 1 1.8 version....

It is a lot easier to get to than on the MK 1 1.6 version, the process is the same for removal and draining the box ,then refitting and refilling, the only difference being that you do not need to remove the hose clip on the sump with there being more space/room to work in...


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Put a tray with a plastic sheet down and have rags at the ready as there will be a little bit of gear box oil lose which we leave to drain and add fresh when finished...

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MK 1 1.6 only.....
Get a 1/4 drive ratchet ,extension and 10mm socket and locate the hose bracket that bolts to the gear box sump and undo and remove the 10mm head bolt and bracket and put them somewhere safe for re-fitting...

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Disconnect the rubber hose by simply just pulling it off and free from the unit...

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Mk 1 1.8 version...

It is the same process as the MK 1.6 version
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Now get your mole grips,( we used long nose) to grip and break the seal...

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MK 1 1.8 version....

Same process as the 1.6 version.

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Once loose, just turn it out with your hand, there will be oil trying to make a run for it so be ready...

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Once out and the old oil is all drained off it is just a case of screwing the new one in, have it close by hand to fit straight after the old one comes out..

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Now it is the same procedure as removal....

Get your new diaphragm and once screwed back into place by hand, use your grips etc to just nip it up nice and tight again so we get no oil leaks...

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Push the rubber hose back on and the hose bracket and sump bolt on the 1.6, then it is just a case of getting her back on the floor....

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MK 1 1.8 version....

Same process as the MK 1 1.6 version only there was no need to remove the hose bracket to the sump for the 1.8 version.
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Now we need to add our fresh oil which is Dextron II power steering and auto gear box oil 7 ltrs for the 1.6 and 7 ltrs for the 1.8 down the auto gearbox dip stick tube (yes that is the correct way to fill it) locate and remove the dip stick...

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And start to fill up to the level...

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To the dip stick mark shown below (All versions)....

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Once at the correct level, put the dip stick back into place....

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If it had failed then we do recommend changing the spark plugs also for a better spark as the plugs have had to try and ignite oil that should not be there so they will be gummed up....

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Once all this is done (if we are changing because it did fail) we recommend filling up with a good cleaning fuel like V POWER and going for a good long run hitting a motorway if possible to get those revs up so it will blast and burn the oil through the system, pottering around the village will not help to clear it.
This may take a good couple of weeks before she is back to normal, but it will clear and sort itself out.
If you had stopped straight away when it failed and had her flat bedded home it will sort its self out quicker with the lack of gear box oil hitting the system.
The one in this guide was nursed home so ended up from around a ltr to 2 ltrs in the system to be burnt off through the system which was a major clean, inlet was removed and deep cleaned, injectors with one needing to be replaced and all having new seals, air trunking was removed and replaced,AFM was cleaned, throttle was cleaned and new gasket added , 3 sets of spark plugs in the sorting out time, new zorst and cat which may of been over kill, but we drive/nursed her home so the oil was in everything .
But she is not dead as some garages will tell you.
This is the first time I have hit this or heard of this fail, but I will make sure that this will never happen again to me by changing this diaphragm as a course of action when the next automatic version hits the workshop.
Before you hit this headache get it changed asap and forget about it ever happening to you, my misfortune is for your gain.
She is back running again bouncing up and down motorways better than ever like nothing has ever happened .:handgestures-thumbup: :coffee:

Hope this helps as it was something I personally hit and there is not much out there on the subject, as the norm any question please feel free to ask, its what we are here for.

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Re: Automatic gearbox diaphragm problems and how to change it etc

Postby Badbooks » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:27 pm

Thankyou Wayne

Great guide as always

Does all the gearbox oil drain out then

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Re: Automatic gearbox diaphragm problems and how to change it etc

Postby Mazda Mender » Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:12 am

It will start to drain as you swap any way as it becomes a nice water fall of red/brown, so you would only get covered in it as you try a re fit, 1.6 is more blind for location while a stream of oil escapes, for the same reason the diaphragm is being changed (age) you may as well let the oil drain and give her some well needed fresh oil any way, and save the inconvenience of of getting covered in it.
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Re: Automatic gearbox diaphragm problems and how to change it etc

Postby Slushbox » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:22 am

Wayne,
As you know I have owned my 1840cc '93 BRG Roadster for years, and have just spent 4k on it for my retirement present.
You may recall it from the show where you gave me a bottle of magic shampoo!
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However, it's grounded as of two weeks back when we discovered the circulation pipe/pipes on the offside of the box are going porous, thereby weeping AFT mostly while on the move. Today, we are going to try and strip these pipes off and take them to a local Pirtek branch to hopefully replicate them.
It's just another age related issue. Nobody in the UK spares business have serviceable pipes it seems.
I'll let you know how it goes.
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Postby Mazda Mender » Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:09 am

Are you talking about the rubber cooling hoses the bottom of the rad?
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Re: Automatic gearbox diaphragm problems and how to change it etc

Postby Slushbox » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:04 pm

Not these Wayne although they do need replaced...easy enough.
Just back from a ramp-up inspection Wayne.
In fact, it is not the pipes I described, albeit they are very crusty.
The PAS drain plug is weeping, spreading an "at speed" mist, plus...the union of the pipe which enters the transmission just back from the gearbox is weeping, so it all conspired to fool us.
More concerning is the transmission vent is showing engine oil misting which means...the tranny will need dropped to get to it.
However, I'm not loosing litres of anything, so short distances are OK till I can get it booked in.
I'll just keep an eye on levels....and a drip tray!
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Postby Mazda Mender » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:21 pm

Pics are needed really robin of these unions etc....as for the "mist" deflect it to the crusty pipes, ;0).
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Postby Slushbox » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:24 pm

The pipes are actually dry Wayne. We cleaned them off, ran the car hard, ramped it again....nothing showing.
Just a drip from the PAS plug....ad a wee nipple on the oppostie side of the transmission.
We are ordering seals, and while we are at it will probably do the warning component in this thread as well.
It still stands about these pipes though. Used solid ones are virtually impossible.
There is no way to tell how long they will last, so Ill watch them.
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Postby Mazda Mender » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:11 pm

Clean them up and paint them, the surface rust will be just on the outside , not rusting from the inside out like a zorst,even a clean and sprayed with a silicon spray or the old auto gearbox oil will give protection.

Would like to see some pics of these weeps.


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Re: Automatic gearbox diaphragm problems and how to change it etc

Postby Slushbox » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:20 pm

Ill try Wayne for the general good.....now I have to wait till they cry again!
Meantime thanks for your guidance/
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Re: Automatic gearbox diaphragm problems and how to change it etc

Postby blackyb » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:43 pm

Although I am a manual man, I am finding this thread very interesting and one of my daily reads.

Who knows one day I may end up in an auto so good to know this in advance.

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Re: Automatic gearbox diaphragm problems and how to change it etc

Postby Badbooks » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:20 pm

Thanks Wayne
I wanted to do another ATF change so this job will kill 2 x birds with 1 x stone
Also great advice on crusty cooling pipes, which my car has, and thanks Slushbox for bringing it up

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Re: Automatic gearbox diaphragm problems and how to change it etc

Postby Mazda Mender » Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:29 pm

blackyb wrote:Although I am a manual man, I am finding this thread very interesting and one of my daily reads.

Who knows one day I may end up in an auto so good to know this in advance.

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She will be used for another myth killing guide to stop all the bullh*t info on a auto to manual conversion..the full dos and don'ts ,full how to guide,it can be done in a weekend.
I have two personal Autos a Mk1 1.8 and a Mk2 1.8. And Mel B the g ltd 1.8 auto to play with...never had a issue with a fully sorted Auto...we also have 3 personal manual's. 2 mk 1 1.6 and a Mk 2 6 spd....i hate the 6 spd box with a passion....
I love them all for different reasons..and even though they are all set up the same way ..they all have their own characters.

Never understood the hate towards the auto versions to be honest....
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Mk 2 .1/4 Roadster 99 black & gold V.S 1.8 .
Mk 1 Eunos 90 1.6 soul red ..f/ build
MK 2.1/4 Blue V.S Roadster 1.8 99 ..
MK1 1.8 ,white import.. (Ashleighs)
MK1 1.6 yellow J ltd import.f/build
MK 1 1.8 black Tokyo Ltd..f/build


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Re: MK 1 1989 > 97 Automatic gearbox diaphragm problems and how to change it etc

Postby Slushbox » Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:53 pm

Oddly in my case ( with a full 7 litres) I only had one single drip this morning, and that was after a good spirited run last night.
I reckon with it having been laid up for 3 years, a couple of seals shrank.
At any rate, I'm doing a cheat and buying a bottle of the supposedly excellent American Forte seal conditioner...because if that pretty much sorts it, that's good enough just now. We will see. If the tranny needs new seals in the long run, it'll get them.
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Re: MK 1 1989 > 97 Automatic gearbox diaphragm problems and how to change it etc

Postby Mazda Mender » Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:32 pm

The dextron II auto and power steering oil is good for rubber so your additive should not be needed.
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This post is a natural product made from recycled electrons. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects, the articles/answers/comments are provided for information purposes and they are not intended to substitute informed professional advice, I or mazdamenders.net cannot personally be hold responsible for any damage occurred from following this procedure or any injuries from it. Proceed at your own risk.


Mk 1 Eunos 93 black V.S II 1.8 ,
Mk 2 .1/4 Roadster 99 black & gold V.S 1.8 .
Mk 1 Eunos 90 1.6 soul red ..f/ build
MK 2.1/4 Blue V.S Roadster 1.8 99 ..
MK1 1.8 ,white import.. (Ashleighs)
MK1 1.6 yellow J ltd import.f/build
MK 1 1.8 black Tokyo Ltd..f/build


http://www.mx5oc.co.uk/ http://www.mx5nutz.com/forum/ http://miata.net/ http://www.autolinkuk.co.uk/

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