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Rust on sills - Which products?

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Rust on sills - Which products?

Postby dogrosie » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:38 pm

Hey all.
This is my first post :-). I have a 1992 Eunos, which I bought in September 2012 in order to gain some DIY skills.

I have some surface rust on the sill. (Had a long conversation with Wayne last night about it - Thanks for your time it was very helpful!).

He recommended sanding back the black sill paint so that the rust was gone and I was back to clean metal, apply some Korust, then paint over the whole sill (not just the sanded back area).

What products do I need aside from the korust?
I already have a small tin of hammerite satin black but I have no idea whether that is suitable. Wayne recommended some Hammerite smoothrite paint.

The aim of this car is for me to do DIY on it in order to keep costs minimised, and fun maximised!
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Re: Rust on sills - Which products?

Postby flea » Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:28 pm

dogrosie wrote:Hey all.
This is my first post :-). I have a 1992 Eunos, which I bought in September 2012 in order to gain some DIY skills.

I have some surface rust on the sill. (Had a long conversation with Wayne last night about it - Thanks for your time it was very helpful!).

He recommended sanding back the black sill paint so that the rust was gone and I was back to clean metal, apply some Korust, then paint over the whole sill (not just the sanded back area).

What products do I need aside from the korust?
I already have a small tin of hammerite satin black but I have no idea whether that is suitable. Wayne recommended some Hammerite smoothrite paint.

The aim of this car is for me to do DIY on it in order to keep costs minimised, and fun maximised!


Hi ya & welcome. May be a good idea to post in the newbie section to say a little about yourself :wink:

Can you post some pictures up but not the one where you have jacked on seams :whistle:
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Re: Rust on sills - Which products?

Postby dogrosie » Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:00 pm

I will post an introduction tomorrow :-D .

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There are two rust spots, surface only. One is a spot due to the paint being scraped off in the past. The other is a thin brown lone, origin unknown. The inner lip off the sill is clean.

A good Googling suggests I should sand the area down, treat the rust, then apply stone chip paint rather than the hammerite. As I already have the hammerite I could just sand back the affected areas, treat with kurust and paint with the hammerite, but this is not stone chip proof and will get damaged quickly I think!

I plan to visit Halfords tomorrow afternoon as I have a ÂŁ10 voucher and a trade card as well, but I am a little new to stuff like this and literally need everything spelling out for me! I can repay any help by taking photos of what I do :-).
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Re: Rust on sills - Which products?

Postby Mazda Mender » Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:22 pm

Masking tape, smoothrite black paint, paint brush, sand paper, korust, mole grips or rubber hammer to strighten sill lip, small screw driver to check/clear drainage points on sill lips.
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Re: Rust on sills - Which products?

Postby roadster1980 » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:47 am

^^^^ as above really or you could throw on some aerosol stonechip then go over with black paint
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Re: Rust on sills - Which products?

Postby dogrosie » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:06 am

Thanks for the replies :-) Do I need any primer to go onto the bare metal?
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Re: Rust on sills - Which products?

Postby The Captain » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:07 am

Just for the sake of accuracy the stuff you need to apply to bare metal is called Kurust, made by Hammerite http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B001C43UO6/? ... B001C43UO6
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Re: Rust on sills - Which products?

Postby The Captain » Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:04 am

dogrosie wrote:Thanks for the replies :-) Do I need any primer to go onto the bare metal?
Not if you are using Kurust and then Hammerite Smoothrite

EDIT: Just checked and Hammerite claim that you can apply direct to bare metals with no need for a primer.
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Re: Rust on sills - Which products?

Postby dogrosie » Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:10 am

what about if I use stonechip paint before the hammerite paint?
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Re: Rust on sills - Which products?

Postby roadster1980 » Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:10 am

As far as I'm aware you need to use a etch primer on bare metal
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Re: Rust on sills - Which products?

Postby Mazda Mender » Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:28 am

Not with hammerite/smoothrite Ste, but i get where your coming from.
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Re: Rust on sills - Which products?

Postby flea » Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:46 pm

This is direct from there site so it should tell you everything :handgestures-thumbup:

Abrade smooth surfaces and remove all loose rust and flaking paint with a wire brush.
Remove dirt, dust and grease with diluted detergent. Rinse with clean water and allow time to dry.
Paint a test patch of Hammerite Direct to Rust Metal Paint Smooth onto painted surfaces and leave for 1 hour. If there is no reaction apply Hammerite Direct to Rust Metal Paint Smooth directly to surface.
If there is a reaction, remove all paint before applying Hammerite Direct to Rust Metal Paint Smooth.
On bare zinc, aluminium and galvanised surfaces apply Hammerite Special Metals Primer before applying Hammerite Direct to Rust Metal Paint Smooth.


Ideal application temperature 8-25degC.
Lightly stir before use. Do not mix vigorously.
Do not mix paint from 2 tins or mix colours.
Brush application: Do not thin. On previously painted metal in sound condition, 1 coat should be sufficient. On bare/rusty metal 2 coats are required. Ensure that all edges and corners are adequately covered. Do not over-apply as sagging will occur.
Coventional spray application: Thin with Hammerite Brush Cleaner & Thinners at a ratio of 15% Thinners to Paint. Set spray gun at 25/35psi and use full fan spray at maximum volume. Apply 4 thin coats. Allow 1 hour between coats. Refer to spray equipment manufacturer's guidelines for the correct and safe use of sprayers.
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Re: Rust on sills - Which products?

Postby dogrosie » Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:02 pm

Many thanks for the replies everyone!

This weekend I straightened out the sill lips with mole grips and rodded out the drain holes with a coat hanger (one hole a bit tight so used paper clip). They had a touch of mud on them but no water came out at all, so I am glad that they were not blocked!
The mole grips took a bit of paint off the sill lips, so I put a small amount of hammerite sooth black on them, just to cover any bare metal.

I must say that I really do not like the stuff and would much rather go for some stonechip paint in a rattle can!
When 'painting the sills', do I just go down to the bottom of the sill or can I include the sill lip (that you would put the scissor jack onto)?.
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Re: Rust on sills - Which products?

Postby roadster1980 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:05 pm

dogrosie wrote:Many thanks for the replies everyone!

This weekend I straightened out the sill lips with mole grips and rodded out the drain holes with a coat hanger (one hole a bit tight so used paper clip). They had a touch of mud on them but no water came out at all, so I am glad that they were not blocked!
The mole grips took a bit of paint off the sill lips, so I put a small amount of hammerite sooth black on them, just to cover any bare metal.

I must say that I really do not like the stuff and would much rather go for some stonechip paint in a rattle can!
When 'painting the sills', do I just go down to the bottom of the sill or can I include the sill lip (that you would put the scissor jack onto)?.


Stonechip is just that not a paint too, you will need to go over it with a aerosol gloss black, as stonchip is porous on its own, and yes all the sill inc the lip
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Re: Rust on sills - Which products?

Postby dogrosie » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:22 pm

Do I sand back to bare metal all over the sill or just the rusty bits?

Would someone be so kind to provide me with a shopping list. I am afraid I really do need it spelling out to me.
I would rather go for the aerosol method as I feel hammerite+brush will look crap.
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